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June 1, 2012

Eliseo Soriano challenged Bro. Erano Manalo on a debate!



I really admire Mr. Soriano for his braveness on challenging the late Executive Minister Bro. Erano Manalo on a one on one debate. I admire how intelligent he is, imagining that he knows that his challenge will not be given attention by Bro. Erano Manalo. The result is, the public and nonmembers thought that Bro. Erano Manalo was a coward, and cannot face Mr. Soriano on a debate, making his hidden intention a success!


Is this TRUE, that Bro. Erano was a coward?


I think even i say no, they will still say YES.
But i should tell the truth, the FACT is NO.

But before ill explain this, i will show you first the true happenings before Eliseo Soriano challenged the late Bro. Erano Manalo...

"On March 3, 2004 a scheduled Pre-debate Conference was supposed to happen in residence on a subdivision in Paranque City, three (3) ADD workers confirmed to the said agreement, Marcos Mataro, Melvin Arbo and Jun Damimo but on the date of agreement there were no ADD workers found on site, the INC ministers waited until 6:00PM.

source:
eltoes.tripod.com

What happened in the pre-debate conference in Paranaque?






On April 26, 2004 another scheduled Pre-debate Conference was supposed to be held in Capaz, Tarlac, at 3:00PM but there are no ADD worker present despite of the agreement 4 days before that they’ll meet. The meeting was signed my Manny Antonio an ADD worker and Abraham Cruz of the INC. INC Ministers Michael Sandoval even tries to contact the ADD and told them that they will go where they are so that the pre-debate would push through; the ADD Minister Mel Magdaraog however cannot answer the request. The Mayor of the town who supposed to be the arbiter postpones his election campaign for the day just to be there but no ADD member was there, he just told the ADD that he’ll not grant any other request from the group if their attitude is that rude."

source:
eltoes.tripod.com


What happened in the pre-debate conference in Capaz, Tarlac?





And because of this events, ADD members now INC members became upset that makes ADD workers/ministers of Mr. Soriano, the REAL COWARD. A former ADD church worker's observation:




Then in March 27, 2005 Eliseo Soriano challenged the INC again but in this time, he wanted Bro. Erano Manalo, a "puno sa puno" one on one debate. His challenge is published in a national newspaper, but the funny thing here is that he wanted the debate to happen in television studios that will be covered live worlwide via satellite as what he said, instead of challenging Bro. Erano on a formal public debate. WOW.

He also said in the newspaper that he is waiting for the INC's reply for the discussion of mechanics. The INC's reply was published in March 28, 2005 saying "for the Iglesia ni Cristo's response watch Ang Tamang Daan". In the same day the response was broadcasted in INC's program saying "Ang sagot sayo ganito, makipagdebate ka muna sa papa ng Iglesia Katolika, at maglalatin ka nga sinasabi ko sayo, saka tatanggapin ang hamon ng tagapamahalang pangkalahatan ng Iglesia ni Cristo."

Why do you think Bro. Erano Manalo's reply is in that way? Does that mean he is feared on debating Soriano one on one?

Answer: NO.

Why?

Let us first understand the tasks of the Executive Minister, thanks for the info ive got from the internet. Question: Is one of the tasks of an Executive Minister is to be a debater?


Executive Minister vs. Presiding Minister



Executive Minister

The position of an executive minister requires a balance of both strong leadership skills and an aptitude for management and administration. Executive ministers generally work alongside senior pastors to help provide leadership and outreach to the church staff, the church body and the community at large. Because of the psychological and spiritual demands of the job, executive pastors must maintain a strong commitment to personal growth and emotional health.
Duties
Executive ministers must be willing to fulfill a wide variety of duties, many of which go unnoticed because they occur behind the scenes. The first priority of any executive minister should be to establish positive, trusting relationships among the church staff and between the staff and the congregation. This includes meeting with and caring for staff and other church members, arranging staff meetings, casting visions and goals for the organization, providing supervision, working with committees and planning staff events. The executive pastor also serves as a personal adviser to the senior pastor, sharing opinions, feedback and advice when appropriate. Because of this, the executive minister must clearly understand and fully support the church’s goals and mission statement.

Skills
An executive minister must possess a wide range of skills to adequately fulfill the ongoing demands of the position. These include effective communication, positive supervisory skills, ability to plan and coordinate activities, flexibility, a commitment to personal and professional growth and the desire for further education (often a requirement). Executive pastors may also be required to visit church members or conduct weddings or funerals, so excellent interpersonal and public speaking skills are a must.

Work Setting
The majority of an executive minister’s work is likely to occur in a church office. This may include working alone, possibly at a phone or computer, or working in groups with other church staff. Work may also take place in other people’s homes, or at community events or volunteer projects. The senior pastor usually provides direct supervision.

Education and Experience
Most churches and other organizations require that an executive minister have a degree in management or biblical studies, or both. In certain cases, proficient experience may substitute for one of these education requirements. Most executive ministers will be expected to further their education through reading, attending seminars or pursuing a degree. However, these expectations will vary from one organization to the next.

source:
ehow.com

It is not the job of the Executive Minister to be a debater, that's why INC ministers are the one's who wanted to represent the INC on a debate (not just ministers, but selected ministers because they needed authorization from the Church administration), the INC's official public debaters were Bro. Jose Ventilation and Bro. Ramil Parba. Accepting the challenge of Eliseo Soriano on his "puno sa puno" version of the debate is but a question of authority. I think that is the reason why Bro. Erano said that Eliseo Soriano should first challenge the Pope on a debate, and IF the Pope agreed, it is when Bro. Erano will also agree on Soriano's challenge.

Come to think, the Pope is not a debater of the Catholic Church, their official debaters were apologists and not Popes. It is also same with other religious organizations, their debaters is not the present executive minister, presiding minister, highest leader, president and so on, the one who does that is their official debaters.

If you go to MCGI's website, it is said that their Presiding Minister "supervises the entire activity of the Church and implements all policies and projects aimed for the improvement of the Congregation’s spiritual well-being. He ensures the proper and rightful execution of the duties and responsibilities of the Ministers and officials of Church ministries and organizations.

He also teaches the Ministers and Workers all the doctrines of Christ in the Bible to be taught to the members."

In the case of Soriano, he is not just a Presiding Minister, he is also a debater, preacher, blogger, celebrity, treasurer(mahilig manghingi ng abuloy), softdrinks dealer, owner of different businesses like sizzling house, water station and etc.



Does the late Bro. Erano Manalo hiding like a coward?


Bro. Erano Manalo only do what his job states and requires, the job of an Executive Minister is described above as:"many of which go unnoticed because they occur behind the scenes." So, when Soriano brainwashed and corrupted the minds of his followers saying that Bro. Erano WAS HIDING only because he did not do what Soriano is doing, like preaching on t.v and in public, well that's a DECEPTION and a lie, as Executive Ministers' works "occur behind the scenes"!

Bro. Erano Manalo is not a coward in debates, in fact, when he is not yet an Executive Minister, he is a public speaker and a debater:
"Bro. Felix Manalo had trained Bro. Erano as a public speaker and debater, once introducing him before a bible exposition saying, “Ang susunod na magsasalita ay mas mahusay pa sa akin (The one who will speak after me is more skilled than I am.)”. Pasugo Issue Sep. 2009

IF ONLY, yes, IF ONLY Bro. Felix Manalo is still living, Soriano's church is now vanished because of Soriano's defeat in a debate. It is unfair if it will be a Sugo of ADD vs. 2nd executive minister of the INC, it should be Sugo of ADD vs. True Sugo of God which is the 1st Executive Minister of the INC. We all know that the preaching of Bro. Felix in the past is more of bible expositions/rallies and debates with different pastors in different religions, as what Soriano IS STILL DOING. If Soriano have lived in the time of Bro. Felix, Soriano is truly be ashamed.


Going back to the topic...

"On March 29, 2005 in Tanauan, Batangas a Pre-debate conference is already in progress when Rodel Mangiliman an ADD MIC came to stop the pre-debate conference, initially he accepts the challenge but as the rules are about to be discussed they keep on trying to change the theme and doesn’t want to accept any rules that was set. The arbiter then quits saying that if the ADD will not agree to anything then there will not be any debate. In this incident it is noticeable also that when the INC Minister tries to greet the ADD workers thru shake hands they refuse then just leave."

source: eltoes.tripod.com

After challenging Bro. Erano Manalo in a debate in March 27, 2005 , but as it is impossible to happen, Bro. Ramil challenge Soriano that he is the one to represent the INC and not the Executive Minister, the conditions:




In the next video, another INC minister, Bro. Ventilation challenge Soriano in a formal debate but he refused, instead he insist that he wanted the Executive Minister to be in the debate. Another INC minister in the video, Bro. Jojo Geron attended an ADD gathering where he challenge Soriano on a debate, Soriano said "Aminin mo munang makikipagdiskusyon ka sasagutin kita", But the poor Soriano feared the debate between him and the Iglesia ni Cristo, he then said "tignan mo, may sinabi ba kong makikipagdiskusyon ang Iglesia? Wala nun!"




hahaha, who is the true COWARD? As ive said earlier, i really admire the intelligence of Soriano using the advantage of challenging Bro. Erano Manalo on a one on one "PUNO SA PUNO" debate (not public debate) instead of challenging the official INC debaters, as he KNOWS that Bro. Erano will not accept it immediately. It will be a shameful event in the side of the INC if Bro. Erano had accepted the challenge, because no religious leaders around the world would give attention to Soriano's craziness.

His "PUNO SA PUNO debate" is really an invention of Soriano, we should not be surprised, because Soriano have not CHALLENGED ANY RELIGIOUS LEADERS until now except the Executive Minister of the INC, what do you think is the reason???






Who's the real COWARD? The Executive Minister of the INC who many not be always in the eyes of the public, but is working "behind the scenes" or the Presiding Minister of MCGI who's location cannot be track abroad because of not FACING his criminal charges in the Philippines?

8 comments:

  1. Thanks for this blog and your posts. I was really enlightened on many topics and issues. God bless the INC!

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  2. Mr. Eliseo Soriano is an expert FUGITIVE. Magaling tumakas at magtago.
    The challenge that he hurled to the Exec. Minister of INC is clearly a tactic employed by a REAL COWARD, that is called "EVASIVE MANEUVER" o "PAIWAS" na taktika.

    The INC is really a much much much BIGGER organization compared to Soriano's organization. Therefore, the functions of INC Executive Minister is very much different to Soriano's functions.

    When the INC was still small and comparable to the size and status of Soriano's church now, it is Bro. Felix Manalo himself who faced the detractors and pastor's of different religious organizations.

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  3. Q: Did Bro. Felix Manalo insist that he wanted to face only the "executive
    ministers" of various bigger religious organizations during the
    pioneering years of the INC?
    A: NO.

    Q: Why did Bro. Manalo face the pastors and NOT the "executive ministers"
    of other religions in dabates?
    A: BECAUSE HE IS NOT A COWARD and he did not employ the evasive maneuver
    "a-la-soriano style" and he knows that "executive ministers" of
    bigger organizations do not function as such. Bro. Manalo BRAVELY
    faced the detractors and the pastor or minister representatives of
    various religious organizations and the representatives were enough.
    Facing the OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE of an organization in a dabate is
    tantamount to facing the "executive minister" or even the
    "entire organization" itself.

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  4. Q: Was there an instance that the INC Exec. Minister performed his duties
    at the "frontline"?
    A: Yes. It was during the times when the INC was still on its pioneering
    years and the functions of the Exec. Minister still cover the
    "frontline" functions. I have seen various pictures at Pasugo Magazine
    when Bro. Erano Manalo himself preached in front of tens of thousands
    in public plazas. It was during the pioneering years of the INC.
    Such front line function is no longer done by the Exec. Minister these
    days as the structure and the stature of INC is far more progressive
    in our times now. PIONEERING YEARS is far different from the present
    GLORIOUS and RADIANT stature of the INC these days.

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  5. Q: In our times now, can Mr. Soriano cite an instance when the
    Exec. Minister himself faced the detractors in a debate?
    A: None...because it not his function anymore.

    Q: Can Mr. Soriano find fault with the Exec. Minister if the latter does
    not face him in a debate?
    A: NO. If the Exec. Minister faces other religions in a debate, yes, he
    can but that is not the case. The INC has a roster of debaters who can
    represent the INC in formal debates.
    That's why SORIANO is really using an "EVASIVE MANEUVER" tactic...kasi
    TUSO lang talaga sya.

    The function of INC Executive Minister is different from Soriano's.
    The Exec. Minister can entrust the doctrines upheld by the INC to the ministers trained for function such as "debating."

    Can he entrust the doctrines upheld by his church to one of his so called MIC's? I doubt it!!!

    What do you think will happen if Josell Mallari will face the likes of Bros. Ramil Parba, Joe Ventilacion, Pol Guevarra, etc?
    Can Josell Mallari and the rest of Soriano's MIC's stand gallantly to defend their beliefs? I DOUBT IT MORE! WHY? IT IS VERY EASY TO PIN THEM DOWN USING THEIR OWN ARGUMENTS. SIGE, NGA...PATUNAYAN NYO, MR. JOSELL MALLARI NA ANG "DIYOS (NYO..ayon kay Soriano) AY MAY PUWET"

    Therefore, SINO ang TUNAY NA DUWAG? SI SORIANO!
    BAKIT KA NAGHAHAMON NG DEBATE SA ISANG TAO NA ALAM MONG HINDI KA PAPATULAN?

    BAKIT HINDI MO HARAPIN ANG OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVES NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO?
    KASI NGA DUWAG KA TALAGA.

    SABIHIN NGA NINYO MGA ADD MEMBERS KUNG SINONG "PINUNO" NG RELIHIYON ANG NAKAHARAP NYA SA DABATE? WALA...WALA...DAHIL WALA TALAGA!

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  6. BAKIT PAG IBANG RELIHIYON PUMAPAYAG SYA NA "PIPITSUGIN" ANG MAKAHARAP NYA?
    KASI IYON LANG ANG KAYA NYANG PAIKUTIN...

    BAKIT PAG IGLESIA NI CRISTO ANG GUSTO NYA AY EXEC. MINISTER?
    KASI ALAM NYA NA HINDI SYA PAPATULAN NG EXEC. MINISTER!

    EH BAKIT AYAW NYA MAKAHARAP SINA KA JOE VENTILACION, RAMIL PARBA, JUN BULARAN, POL GUEVARRA ATBP?
    KASI ALAM NYANG HINDI SYA UUBRA AT IIKOT ANG PUWET NYA SA CROSS EXAMINATION SA KANYA?

    THEREFORE, so that there shall be DEBATE that will happen between the INC and the ADD...alas, MR. SORIANO used the EVASIVE MANEUVER..
    HAMUNIN ANG TAO NA HINDI SYA PAPATULAN...

    KUNG WALANG REPRESENTATIVE NA IPAPADALA PARA HARAPIN KA, DUN MO SABIHIN NA DUWAG ANG PAMAMAHALA NG INC... PERO KUNG MAY OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE NA HAHARAP SA IYO, IKAW ANG TUNAY NA DUWAG PAG HINDI KA HUMARAP.

    "PUNO SA PUNO?" ano yun? WALA NUN...!

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  7. ...and also, BEHOLD, LOOK AT THE SUCCESS RATE OF THE INC IN ALL ASPECTS, KITANG-KITA ANG PAGPAPALA AT PAGTULONG NG TUNAY NA DIYOS!

    ...isang NAGNININGNING NA IGLESIA NA SIYANG DARATNAN NI CRISTO SA KANYANG PAGBABALIK!

    ISANG PAANYAYA SA LAHAT...SURIIN PO NINYO ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO NA BUKAS HINDI LAMANG ANG ATING MGA MATA KUNDI AT LALO NA BUKAS ANG PUSO AT ISIPAN SA KATOTOHANAN...

    NAIS PO NAMIN KAYONG MAKASAMA SA ARAW NG KALIGTASAN!

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  8. Si Eli Soriano talagang duwag sa mga INC Debaters kasi nga mangangarag sya kung paano nya lulusutan ang mga kontra-kontra at mga xerox copy na mga doktrina nya. Sa tingin ko kahit kay Willy Santiago takot na rin 'to eh... 'eh pano alam na alam ni Willy yung "palusot tactic" ng dati nyang maestro. hehehe...

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